JK: "Our own language was coming together and we were starting to get pretty good. We'd done two
albums and Arista were having serious second thoughts. We thought we were going to get dumped; and
we thought that that mightn't be bad, as we'd heard that the people from Virgin might be
interested. We'd amassed some debts. The whole picture wasn't looking good. Thought it wouldn't be fair to say
we were hoping to get dumped, we thought a clean slate mightn't be a bad idea. But then Rusty Egan
started championing us and suddenly we began to register in the Futurist charts. Arista thought that
they may be on to something."
Record Collector Interview
Record Collector #364
- "If there's any kind of concept to Empires And Dance, it must be the boy or man who's run away - a
fugitive" - Jim.
- Empires And Dance was written about the experiences and places visited by the band during their
previous tour. "I was twenty, and I looked around me.
We had the talent always to be in the place where the neo-Nazis
exploded another bomb. Bologna, a synagogue in Paris, a railway station in Munich. Don't tell me anything like
that could leave you unmoved." - Jim.
- "We were seeing the picture postcard stuff, statues parks and galleries – but bombs were going off, the Red Brigade
had struck, or Baader Meinhof, or one time when we were in Paris, a synagogue had been set fire to – there was danger in the air.
Against the backdrop, you've got classical Europe, you're reading Graham Greene and Albert Camus
and back in London, there were so many independent cinemas showing these great Italian and French classics – it all fed in,
that and our own experiences. We seemed to be in Berlin every week there, going through the corridor from Hamburg, seeing all
these Russian guards and feeling like these post-war kids, able almost to touch that." - Jim
- Strong, percussive and driving, the music of the album was based around the rhythm section with
Mick and Charlie filling in.
- "We'd never thought about selling albums until this third one; never thought 'Oh, this cover'll look
great in the window of Boots' or this and that. It was just we were in the band, which was a hobby that
someone wanted to finance." - Jim.
- Unlike Real To Real Cacophony, the band produced a set of
demos for the album, recording several of the new songs which had
appeared in the last previous tour:
- Whilst John Leckie sat in on the
album demos, Arista considered
David Cunningham as a producer at one point. The song demos and arrangements were recorded at
Monow Valley Studios on two-inch tape whilst waiting for the Rolling Stones Mobile to arrive at Rockfield and recording proper
- "Empires and Dance was great record to make. Derek was there with the bass
lines which really formed the backbone to Simple Minds music right up to time he left and very often his line
was first idea written." - John Leckie.
- "We spent a lot of time working on guitar sounds to sound like keyboards and keyboards to sound like guitars.
Technology was a bit primitve at time as no-one was MIDI conversant and yet we did some great tracks with the arpeggiator on
the Roland Jupiter and Korg MS20. We spent a lot of time doing handclaps and getting the right tone and reverb space and size, and
weird ringing snare drums." - John Leckie.
- "The Skids were in other studio at Rockfield so there was a lot of messing around and food
fights and buckets of water on top of doors etc." - John Leckie.
- The front image, a photograph by German photographer Michael Ruetz, was spotted by
Jim in a magazine during a plane flight. The look of the album, including
the cyrillic font used by The Artifex Studio, inspired the artwork for The Holy Bible by
The Manic Street Preachers.
- The chipped statue was used as a motif through single sleeves, tour posters and tour T-shirts. Often referred to as
a 'soldier', he was actually an air force officer, shown by the wings on his breast pocket.
- Original LPs included a lyric sheet, although Room was left off.
- The album was finished in July 1980. Arista didn't know what to do with it, and
John Leckie ended up telegramming the company daily: "What a great album. Stop.
This album is a hit. Stop. Jim Kerr. Glasgow."
- Arista only pressed up 15,000 copies of the album, waited for it for sell out, pressed up another 15,000
copies, watched it sell out, and then pressed up another batch. This ensured that the album wasn't often available in shops,
and lead it to stall at a lowly 41. Bruce ended up writing a letter to the music
press, apologizing for the absense of the LP in the shops.
- The treatment of the album and its single by Arista was the final straw; the band considered splitting
up to rid themselves of the record company.
- I Travel was selected by as the first single, and included the band's first limited edition and
12" release. By the time Celebrate was issued, the group had long left the label.
- Virgin aquired the rights to the album when they purchased Simple Minds' back catalogue in
1982. Empires And Dance was reissued on the label's full-price range as a
LP (Virgin V 2247) and a MC (Virgin TCV 2247). These
were reprints of the Arista originals, with the LP including the lyrics on the inner sleeve (and not as an
insert as with the originals).
A further pressing, now without the inner sleeve, was produced in June 1988 anticipating the success of Street Fighting Years
this time on Virgin's budget OVED range.
- "We were in a lot of debt and Arista wanted to get rid of us. The feeling was mutual. Within a week,
Virgin signed both Simple Minds and Japan from Arista and went
on to have great success with both. Virgin was so cool. You went into the office and they were playing dub.
They had XTC, The Human League, OMD."
- "Simple Minds did three albums for a label called Arista back in the day. They signed up with great enthusiasm.
Three albums later, we still weren’t making any money. They were about a hundred grand in the hole, maybe more, which in 1979 was probably like a
quarter million. They were about to dump us when Richard Branson came along and offered them 35 grand to take the debt. So, we were kinda dumped,
but had a new lease on life and people who had new energy. Whereas Arista were saying, “You’re not doing the right thing!”, Virgin were saying to us,
“You are doing the right thing. It’s just a matter of time until the rest of the world catches up. So keep doing it.” - Jim,
North OF The Internet, March 2018